I just saw that I am 11 years late with this response, lol! By rights, a Saturn/Saturn opposition should repel. I cannot understand how this works but it works !!! If you think this goes on with all of your men, then we would have to examine Saturns place in your natal chart and how it relates to the relationship planets. I am afraid of having another stroke. I was wondering which orb you admit in an opposition between two outer planets in synastry? Im the older woman, age 50, a successful therapist. His moon trines my sun in piesces although mine opposes his sun in Taurus. The two Saturns have opposite agendas. A lot of it really resonates, and the comments too. This would seem like a substantial chunk of time difference, which might throw up more hindrance than help when two people are trying to relate. You may feel more free when youre apart, without that Saturn pull, but the challenges that you face together should make you more aware of what you need to do to move forward. Being a psychology student, I have analyzed our story over and over again. Through this relationship I broke into pieces and from the deepest hell I faced and processed all my heavy childhood issues that lurked under my carefully constructed nice, responsible well controlled public persona. I want to know if its real as it feels like a dream.. Saturn usually doesnt feel like a dream. Most likely, this is an important status figure, like a boss or parent. The Sun conjunct Saturn synastry aspect is a karmic placement. Perhaps Mercury discovered on his or her own a new way of thinking that inspired him or her. Neither one of us seemed to have the guts to make the first move. When theres an argument, however, things stay absolutely still for a few days, sometimes even weeks. I am younger pursuing an academic career and he is an older artist. Saturn opposite Venus synastry relationships are characterized by a cold emotional inconsistency of the partners. As the saying goes, to be continued. Any further insight would be helpfull. Please take a look at the Neptune factors in your own chart to see if you are vulnerable to this kind of attraction. In addition, (yup there is more) this axis is exactly conjunct his MC/IC axis, and his Part of Fortune is exactly conjunct his IC. The picture is a a mass of conjunctions, all within 1 degree. I blame the heavy Saturn influence for his almost complete inability to open up to me. Were easily hurt there. My Saturn is at 22 pisces Astrology Explained. Saturn doesnt forgive weakness and over indulgence, and a relationship based on such opposition requires some work for give its best. They do have some of the characteristics described above, but generally there is less defensiveness between the two, and criticism is constructive if it exists. There is an immediate and intense connection between the two people involved, both sexually and spiritually . Oppositions often repel and disassociate before they begin cooperating. In the first two years together, hes the one with the shorter fuse, walking away in the slightest differences, but back again in less than 48 hours. You would need a full reading to sort this out, and it still probably couldnt tell you for sure what you want to know or confirm. Also, we are both highly creative but rarely have met people who understand the heavy emotions or thoughts we tend to express. Very illuminating article. taken by this magnetism now and knew he was The Saturn oppositite Neptune synastry is the hallmark of a spiritual partnership. Ive come to term this effect as the spiral of action-reaction. If you focus on how you can move forward in your life, it will give you strength and peace of mind. So yes, in your case, with both of you having Saturn rule the Descendant, this Saturn/Saturn opposition is well within orb. I had a 4 year relationship with a man which left me deeply shaken & changed. I am in a Saturn/Saturn opp relationship. But there is nothing in the configurations you gave me that indicate anything but romantic and sexual intensity. This relationship stands much chance of being a long-lasting one. The interpretations are insightful and warmly written. The attraction was immediate and definitely mutual, and whenever we do spend a little time together we always seem to be locking gazes and smiling at each other. His Saturn, in Aries, activates the major 5th/11th house oppositions in my chart. I hope you dont mind my continuing this discussion. seem to stay away, even though my mind says this Its a perfect working example of the opposition in action. Saturn has a tendency to hook what it cant get on its ownperhaps more than any other planet, again due to his practical, real life bent. We certainly our pushing each other, but it feels super positive and exciting perhaps because our charts our full of trines and sextiles in other configurations. Even if it is wrong, there is a rightness about being together. I do know theres always some challenge which will test me as Saturn does, yet while dating I find myself wanting to be cautious about the karma I choose to engage and to learn to be the best Saturnian person I can be to everyone in my life until I find the Saturn lesson that I can manage okay. Either one (or both) people involved may have made it clear at some early point in the interaction that this relationship was to be a serious or committed one. Im sure with me he too went through his own hell. Saturn fears anything that threatens the initial bond they formed, and sees any signs of growth on Mercurys part as a threat to that bond. sparks. Looking out to browsing your archive . No one takes us seriously, yet Im very afraid each time deep down. At the outset, there can be some resistance or reluctance to forming a relationship and/or a commitment with each other on one of the individuals parts, as if he or she senses that committing to the other person will involve something heavy. Saturn square mars and saturn opp saturn were both transiting during this time. The Saturn opposite North Node synastry is often referred to as the "Greater Malefic" for its potential to create challenges and obstacles. I want to support her. Me and my Almost frequent the same local hang out and every time we encounter one another we eye lock into our own little space in the cosmos. Look at the drinking. i was wondering if the saturn opposition can be responsible for an on/off relationship? I read this with great interest, as my SO and I have a Saturn-Saturn opposition, with a 15-year age difference and both of our natal Saturns in the 10th house. Its turning up more and more in the synastry work I do, almost to the point where I can say its commonplace. This cardinal T-square has been difficult for a lot of people, health-wise. Im living in a Saturn opp Saturn (orb: 0,5 degree) relationship for 27 years now. Bonded.feel deep down its not over but part of me feels relief as well as deep torment over any long absences. I have no mathematical data on this, but from my observation problematic Saturns tend to attract strong Saturns. I guess, Im just locked into position with this guy as far my identity is concerned. I must say that all you describe about the saturn saturn opp is right what I felt (and lived) with this person for the best and the worst. The danger is that it sometimes continues out of mutual feelings of responsibility when calling it a day might be more appropriate. We hate ourselves and we hate the world, we blame our parents for bringing us into the world (Saturn/Moon of course). THE ASTROLOGY OF LOVE & ATTRACTION: ARTICLES & GUIDES, Synastry: Understanding Human Relationships. my approach to authority of saturn has been rebellious and challenging- my moon-saturn square my sun-pluto, and his saturn is in the hidden 12th house.. our relationship is heavy and addictiveI dont think Saturn/Saturn is ever finished. I think both partners go on to test one another, as long as the relationship lasts. I allow more for the Sun and the Moon, and for anything ruling an angle if Im looking at something relating to that angle. And yes, its very difficult to break up a relationship thats Saturn-bound. I find Saturn is very much rewarding the moment you face yourself in the mirror, take that responsibility and work for it. The Mercury person may, in some ways, look up to the Saturn person, who tends to display a rather mature way of thinking that Mercury admires. Hes already in the playing field while I have to go back to school for a higher degree, and in a different part of the country. on a zodiac sign to read about the Sun, Moon, I found that while we do help each other grow leaps and bounds when were together, we also stymied each others growth in other areas. both saturns are kinda closer to the twelfth house, but not close enough to be in it. The Pluto person may see the Saturn person as cold, hard, and limiting . The sexual tension is thick, but unacknowledged except by occasional mild flirting both ways (hes very much attached). Now that Im 26, and I would gladly take Saturn lessons, but this time the man is a bit reluctant, even though he is 40. regardless how daunting the future would be (read: endless control issues). I was very confused by it until I read your article. I must say that I have a very hard relationship with my men. In a world of defending champions, you might always feel like the challenger. For me, Mars is conjunct Saturn making this a very strong attraction for both of us who are acting like teenagers. What and where is this going. Saturn - astrology meaning Saturn is our strict teacher who is able to ruthlessly examine our maturity. When I was 13 I told her I wanted to boil water and she got very nervous and joked that Id burn the house down. Lets take an example of Mercury conjunct Saturn in synastry. As time passes, and especially once a commitment is made between each other, the personal planet person will inevitably grow in that area of life or part of the personality represented by the personal planet. Its an Aries-Libra Saturn Opposition, I have the Saturn in Aries. It occurs when two planets are directly across from each other in the zodiac, creating a 180-degree angle. During this time, when we make progress (very apparent early on our relationship), we MAKE PROGRESS. Although parallels are likened to conjunctions, when Saturn is parallel a personal planet in synastry, the interplay is easier than the conjunction. (i should like to keep her someday if shed let me). Should you like further information I am happy to provide. Essentially, I reactivate all the Saturn problems he has in his own chart. saturn is a helluvalot to deal with. An opposition is a significant aspect in astrology. Saturn Opposite Ascendant Natal. The attraction is very strong, In my own chart Saturn is strong because in aries Xth house and conjunct natal aries Moon, trine Leo sun, trine mercure, and apex of yod. in Sagittarius). Thank you for the enlightening article. She definitely latched onto me and gave me a home. Saturn love stays active when lessons are being learned, and the Saturn/Saturn opposition gives it a lot of fodder. When we met we were certainly living each others wished lives, me wanting a succesful career, he wanting a fullfilling emotional life. In another, boyfriends Sun was tightly conjunct my Saturn. Yes, this is what I have with my Saturn opposite relationship. He also seems to be punishing me for my youth, well compared to him. With Saturn retrograde, the focus tends to be on what you havent been given in life, what you have to work for on your own. Does Saturn truly benefit from this kind of censoring? There was a deep attraction, soulmate perhaps, so this was confusing as love was certainly there. On the opposite end of the axis is the Descendant- which indicates what we are subconsciously attracted to in partnerships and relationships. he was in his forties and refusing to settle down. These aspects play out over time and often manifest in clear stages. I dont know his house placements. Family means no one gets left behind, or forgotten. Never underestimate that. You also may want to invest some time in reading the 4 part series Ive written on MC/IC contacts and the role Saturn plays in relationships. The interesting thing about Saturn is that he always has an agenda. The words can not explain my happiness! I was considering walking away from him, because I dont think he can overcome a double dose of heavy Saturn like that. Im definitely the pursuer and the physical desire that I feel for him is pretty outrageous and intenseMy mars conjunction his venus.My venus conjunction his uranus.My neptune square his venus.He knows Im attracted to him,but I dont know if he feels the same way about me.Im going insane.I cant stop looking in his eyes. I know I probably should just lay all of my cards on the table, but I actually feel physical pain when I think of being rejected by him if Im wrong. Good Evening (from France) Saturn Opposite Pluto Synastry - Impossible Control. When two Saturn retrogrades partner up like this, you can help one another in your goals of inner strength and individuality. Saturn generally is the one who wants the bond to be exclusive, and although the personal planet person generally wants the same thing, that personal planet person feels enormous pressure to be a certain way and feels like he or she is not free to express him or herself in a natural and dynamic manner. There is life, and astrology, after 60! But somehow we cant seem to stop it because in the meantime we are tremendously growing. Reacting defensively to each other will only exacerbate the problem. When these two planets are in opposition, it can mean that there is a lot of tension between these two forces in your life . Not really. linger as he seems to be the one in fear and pulls the plug. he recently saw me with my new boyfriend, and today he is home sick off from work. Lots of intensity for both of us. Who said Saturn is cold ? mine is saturn/virgo, hers is saturn/pisces. The Saturn opposition would more likely manifest as on/off in a younger couple. The Saturn person is not as inclined to criticism or control. As we move on with Saturn, particularly at those times when it squares, opposes and conjuncts itself, the lessons get easier or we bear them better. Maybe, if youre a very firey or airy type, you wont like this much, and Saturn will feel very oppressive. Strictly out of the blue!! Were forced to go inwards and make difficult decisions, which then get release when Saturn starts moving again, no matter the direction. On the other, we often rebel by refusing to acknowledge some of the unavoidable elements of livinggrowing older, making committments and taking responsibility for ones life. If we run away from Saturn, he will only come back to knock on our door harder during the next 7 year cycle. Saturn in Synastry . Who on earth would have come to this conclusion? Recently, Ive gone back to the hang out and there he was with same love struck look on his face, a little hurt by my absence but still happy to see me. I sometimes think its a curse. Saturn will not be ignored, and must be dealt with in a practical, real-life way. It feels like I have a big, huge shadow self that I has been trying to deny and squeeze back to the unknown now is pouring out freely and constructively. In looking at my Saturn in my own chart, it sits in my 5th house, and Ive had many Saturnine romances. We lived in the same country for 1,5 years, then he moved away, and now we make it work from a few hundreds of kms distance. Agreed with others here we cant They break when one or the other doesnt want the testing any more. i so agree. This is one of those inter-chart aspects no one talks about in synastrythe attraction of the Saturn/Saturn opposition between natal charts. When we are apart and when we are together (few weeks every 2 months). I am beginner in astrology though, and not many times in my life I said: karma work . His choice was his career, however sad for me. Im not sure about growing more when youre apart; Saturn doesnt really block growth by being in opposition, it encourages it by challenging old patterns. The Bottom Line on the Saturn-Pluto Aspect in Synastry. However, it can have its fair share of ups and downs. In Synastry, Saturn may represent older or.Saturn conjunct Sun is seen in fated marriages, soulmates and long term commitments.Sun opposite or square Saturn, despite the strong bond you both feel, there is a difference in..Saturn opposition and square Mars are hard aspects that can go from exciting to annoying. Whether or not it was verbalized, the air of responsibility is explicit. Gemini In astrology, the opposition between Saturn and Uranus is considered to be a difficult aspect. The Saturn/Saturn opposition can have a lot of staying powerit may not be a pleasant stay, but it will stick because the couple are involved in an elaborate dance of growth, responsibility, and mutual recognition. Thank you very much. He never made apologies for this. Thank you for sharing this. I find that I am active again sexually ( amazing since I am 72) with a person who is also in his 3rd Saturn Opposition. Well, from the outside it might. The most informative article out there. Regardless, you won't feel excited about getting cut at the quick whenever you make . So much for the 15 16 yr age difference But the opp allows for more relation I think more than the square, which tends to stop, for me, alot of things. At the beginning, there can be a real feeling of mutual respect regarding how each person uses his or her brain, how they communicate, and how they think. I have saturn conjunct moon in 7th in aquarius opposite partners saturn conjunct sun in leo in his 7th house (on my asc).. and we have mars opposition too, the attraction was almost instant and intense and it is bringing up some issues for me I cant quite put into words but he is the first person I have felt could be too good for me normally its the other way round. It can be as simple as a commitment that the partnership is a one-to-one relationship, or that it is exclusive.] This was an excellent perspective on the Saturn elements in the chart. she and I both have our opposing saturns in our 11th house. So we grit our teeth and weather it out. Saturn in synastry is intriguing because what begins as a strong sense of security and comfort felt between a couple can eventually degenerate into feelings of pressure to stay the same, and an overall sense that one does not want the other to grow or develop. So my question is.. I would appreciate some advice in that regard. Scorpio Its always been around, with couples, working partners, and friendships, but it seems to be more prominent than ever now. Maybe the personal planet person does need to learn to be more responsible and could benefit from some maturation, and Saturn can learn to loosen up in certain ways. When we start missing each other, thats around 3 days, then the sex part becomes fantastic. By using this site, you agree to the Terms of Use. In the Saturn opposite Pluto synastry, the Saturn person may find the Pluto person to be intense, secretive, and maybe even a little scary. Saturn has figured quite prominently in all my relationships. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! meanwhile he has had a girlfriend for over 10 years. i was wondering about how wed be affected. But I have a question regarding too much Saturn in Synastry: This man I have been seeing has a heavy Saturn influence in his chart: conj Sun, square Moon, sesquisquare Mars. One is that Saturn's need for order, stability, and control can conflict with the Moon's emotional needs. While I hate to say it, this is mostly true (so far anyways). The best thing is not to force anything in this relationship but to take personal responsibilty first and THEN let things take their course. It is easy to see, with this kind of pattern, that either or both individuals could feel trapped together at times! There can also be a lot of inner and outer accomplishment, with Saturn mutually providing practical advice and support. I dont see a path to developing any more of a relationship than we already have, and we have such polar differences (!) Virgo Moon/Pluto is no picnic, either, and can be very rigid. Unfortunately, it is sometimes difficult to embrace those lessons, particularly where Saturn is concerned. Thanks for this article, Dawn! Yet the rewards seem to have escaped. his Mars. In fact, anything that happens outside of the relationship in the area represented by the personal planet can be seen as a threat to the exclusive bond the couple had at the beginning of the relationship. Although Moon in particular may feel emotionally frustrated at times, there is a feeling of constancy and dependability in Saturn that is very attractive. These are our mini-break ups. Unlike the ripped to the bone feeling that Pluto contacts can bring, Saturn simply supplies us with a laundry list of our inadequacies. Have a look at my post on Trickster aspects: http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/the-chart-workshop-trickster-aspects/. I am baffled by how accurate Astrology is. His saturn in Libra (born october 82) opposite mine in Aries ( born august 68) . he is making it hard to move away from him. Planetary Positions Calculations/Report. Then we fall into a stalemate no communication, no contact, but nobodys going anywhere too. Then things seem to work out for themselves. 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